Transcribed below is just a glimpse into the amazing discussion I had with former UFC Event Coordinator, Burt Watson. The transcribed interview is edited for brevity and clarity. For the full, fun, and raw verbosity of Burt Watson definitely check out the podcast link below.The man is a wealth of knowledge and our discussion covered the gamut of topics including the boxing scene in Philadelphia, Joe Frazier, his start in MMA, the Latin Billboard Awards, the source of his work ethic, the story of how he had to order a fleet of taxi cabs to get all the fighters to the venue on time, and whether or not he plans on still working in the industry. Every word out of Burt’s mouth is a slice of MMA history, so definitely check it out.
Hello, this is AJ Camacho with MMA Latest news I’m here today with former UFC event coordinator, Burt Watson. For those not familiar with Burt’s work, Burt has spent over the past decade managing logistics behind the scenes of the UFC for well over the past 14 years. Many of you may know Burt ass the energetic black gentleman in glasses who is usually seen pumping fighters before they walk out for their fight.
Burt has been a staple and an institution within the UFC. His presence and work ethic have created a standard within the industry, performing with a charismatic passion that has become his trademark.
Burt, thank you for speaking with me today.
My pleasure AJ.
First off, I don’t want to rehash too many details over your departure. I think you’ve been clear about what had happened. Essentially, an executive treated you in a way which you did not approve, you let him know that, and you took your employment elsewhere. Would you say that, that’s a fair brief summary?
That’s pretty brief, pretty accurate. An incident happened, I felt disrespected, and I was approached inappropriately and I responded to it.
Personally, I want to commend you for doing that. There are a lot of employment situations where people aren’t clear about the way they wish to be treated by their peers, their co-workers, their superiors… and it’s important that people establish the conduct and behavior they expect from those people. Especially with someone like you, you put so much love and passion into your work. I mean that was your identity for so long.
It’s very important, not only for someone that’s been with a company a period of time, the younger generation the people that are working to break into the workforce. It is a very clear thing, respect. Respect for yourself, respect for the craft is something that is very important. And when you do things the right way and you get the job done, and you get it done the right way… then the respect for the work that you give and the respect for what you do. The respect should be there from anybody. But you gotta do a good job in order to get that kind of respect.
Do you feel that the executive culture at the UFC has changed within the last few years?
Everything within the UFC has changed within the last few years and that’s because of the growth of the UFC and the growth of the sport. I was with the UFC for 14 years… what I did had to succeed and it had to adjust with the growth of the business and the growth of the UFC. I’ve seen a lot of people in the past 14 years come and go. I’ve seen a lot of the system grow and when a system, an organization, and structure that large grows that quickly, there’s gonna be some changes.
There’s going to be times where some people feel pressure, or pressure of the event, or pressure of the situation and that comes with the growth. Especially when the growth is as rapid and as large as that of the UFC.
You know I started with them at UFC 31 and by UFC 95 going into 100 we were just about worldwide. [The growth] was rapid, it was on a rapid pace, and it was at a high level. It had become the highest level in the sport of MMA… the sport itself became the largest growing sport in the world baby!
Which change was probably more dramatic? Was it the acquisition of Strikeforce or was the FOX deal just on a totally different level?
The change came about with the Spike deal. You know, that early out because at that point… with the creation of The Ultimate Fighter, that gave worldwide exposure to the feeder system of MMA and the feeder system of the UFC. When that started and it exposed the sport to the world. I myself, personally, when I started in MMA, I knew of Bruce Lee and I knew Bruce Lee Roy. Not the Bruce LeRoy now but back from my day (see, the 1985′ film The Last Dragon) but I didn’t know that there was such a thing as organized MMA. I really had no idea because I was from the world of boxing, and too because the sport was not as exposed and mainstream as it is now.
I’m not sure of the number but when I started but I think they might have had, maybe 30 fighters on contract, maybe 20 if that. As of about three weeks ago I know they had over 510. That’s a big change baby!
I think one of the reasons why people have galvanized around your departure as an issue, was because the UFC has always been presented to us as this big family, this big traveling circus of people that go from show to show. Do you think some of that culture is… not lost, but a little left behind due to this?
Some things speak for itself. You know, you don’t have to put a face on everything. Sometimes the face is there for you. There’s still a lot of good people that work in a good family environment there at the UFC. But then again, at the same time when you are in an organizational structure that has the growth that [the UFC] has, and has brought on the amount of people and the amount of fighters that it has, over the last 12 years, you know things are gonna change baby! The level of expectations, from the fighters, from the operations people, from me and my guys in fighter relations… all of that changed man.
When you get that big and change that quickly it changes the culture, 100%.
Do you miss the job?
I miss the money… hahaha.
And I miss the fighters. I can honestly tell you that over the last 14 or 20 days or however… I can tell you that I’ve personally gotten a phone call, or a tweet, or on facebook, or a text, from over half of the fighters on our roster.
Yeah, that outpouring has been amazing of people supporting you.
I’m totally overwhelmed. Ronda, Jon Jones, Anderson Silva, George St. Pierre, Matt Serra, Weidman – I can’t even… Julie Kedzie… people have called me up and I hate to mention names because I hate to miss any names. Over half of the roster, and the cut men, and the corners… Hackleman, Trevor Whitman, Ryan Hoss, everybody man. I miss that. That makes you miss it because then it tells you the effect that you had on people. The influence and what people really thought of you. And I’m still getting phone calls… and I’m going to keep that line open because I answer every one of them. Every one of them I get I answer back.
I’m overwhelmed by that. I’m proud of that and that I miss, yes.
Do you have any plans on what the next chapter of your life is going to bring?
Well, I was at a point where we did 42 shows… 43? Do I want to do 43 shows a year again? I’m 66, I got a birthday coming up. No. Do I want to do 30 shows a year? No. Can I or do I want to do 10… or less and consult with someone on how to do a show, how to put shows together, give a hand here and give a hand there, or help out some young organizations… and put a little bit of wisdom in some young kid’s head? Yes, I’ll do that.
My mental [faculties] and my skills are still there. They’re not going anywhere. They’ve only gotten better because I’ve been doing it for 14 years. So I’ve been doing and learning and teaching myself at the same time. I’ve got 14 belts baby and I’d like to think that I retired undefeated.
Personally, I want to thank you for your service to the sport. As a fan, we appreciate it and clearly the athletes all appreciate it. So thank you.
If you’d like to keep tabs or get in touch with Burt you can visit his website: www.Burtwatson4real.com. Stay tuned as he plans on developing training resources for up and coming promoters and coordinators in the industry. You can also follow him on twitter @BurtWatson4Real
Dana White gives update on Conor McGregor and the lightweight division
The top end of the UFC’s lightweight division is thriving. Dustin Poirer defeated former division champion Anthony Pettis, in dominant fashion. Tony Ferguson won the lightweight division’s interim title by carving Kevin Lee from his back. Safe to say, no everyday person would ever want to see Khabib Nurmagomedov down a damp and dark alley. Don’t forget, the gutsy performance of Eddie Alvarez stealing Justin Gaethje’s undefeated record away. The division is thriving like gas attempting to escape a shaken champagne bottle.
On Friday, UFC President, Dana White, spoke to Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports, about a number of topics. One, which came up fairly quickly; Conor McGregor and his stranglehold on the lightweight belt. The pair began talking about recent performances inside the octagon when the illustrious name of, Khabib Nurmagomedov, came up. White claimed, “Conor always finds a way to win. When he hits you, you go…”. Then speaking of the potential bout between Nurmagomedov and McGregor, “I love that matchup but, Tony Ferguson is the interim champion. Conor and I haven’t really figured out when he’s coming back and what’s going on…”. He continued, “I don’t think Conor wants to fight until August, but if he waits until August or September, that’s around two years since the belt has been defended and that can’t happen”.
Iole followed up by asking, due to circumstances, does McGregor owe it to the sport to defend his title? The UFC president agreed, “And to the other fighters. Not only to the sport but, to the other fighters. This is a game of time… when you’re a professional athlete, time is your enemy and we can’t let this thing go on forever and not give other guys the opportunity. Tony Ferguson has been around for a long time and has earned his dues, Khabib has earned his dues… Conor has done very well, he’s made a lot of money, and if he decides that he doesn’t want to fight again for another however long that’s up to him… but, the belt has to move on… we gotta figure some stuff out here in the next couple months”.
It only makes sense that the UFC wants progression in the one-hundred and fifty-five lb. division. Even without their massive revenue generator, the division must move on. Athletes like Nurmagomedov may be relatively unknown outside the MMA community in the United States but, his official Instagram page holds 3.2 million followers. While Tony Ferguson may not hold online notoriety, he does have an exciting style. A style that could win a good many of fans, the more exposure he receives.
For White, one of these two men must fight for the division’s championship title. When asked about what is next, he stated, “As long as Conor is willing to fight by March, we could do Khabib versus Tony and then the winner fights Conor… or Conor doesn’t wanna fight and wants to sit out till next fall. Then we would have to make Khabib vs. Tony for the title”.
Time can be the only truth serum in this particular situation. The UFC brass has spoken of forcing McGregor to vacate his lightweight title for some time. Yet, nothing has happened. On the other hand, it would be more than surprising to see the division’s belt sit on the shelf for another year. Considering it all, including the status of contenders and depth of the division, the bottleneck created by one man never ceases to amaze.
Exclusive: Neil Magny: “It’s going to come down to fighting tooth and nail”
On Saturday, December 30th, Neil Magny steps back into the Octagon as he takes on the returning Carlos Condit. Magny’s had a rough past couple of months as the 6’3 welterweight has alternated wins and losses as well as fighting a lot less than usual. Magny was known as one of the most active fighters on the UFC roster until injuries started to take away from his time in the cage.
Welcoming Magny back to the cage is a man who is also making his return after a long layoff, Carlos Condit. Fans and even Magny have been waiting a long time for the fight to come together.
“I love this fight, this a fight I’ve been chasing for nearly two years now,” Magny told MMA Latest. “The fight’s going to be happening this Saturday and I’m excited for it.”
Condit hasn’t competed since he lost to Demian Maia back in August 2016. The Jackson-Wink product lost via first round rear-naked choke, the loss prompted a semi-retirement that left everyone unsure if he would ever return. The time spent away from the cage could potentially bring upon the universally hated “ring-rust”.
“Not at all,” Magny said as he shot down any talks of ring-rust. “I mean, if anything, I would be more affected by ring rust than he is. I mean, I’m a guy who likes to compete all throughout the years. This is the least amount of fights I’ve had in a year- in awhile- I don’t think the ring rust will be a factor at all and I can’t let that allow me to think that this fight will be easier because of that.”
With Condit’s return being the big story in this fight, it’s easy to think Magny’s been swept under the rug. The fan-favorite has been loved for his tendency to turn every fight into a brawl and putting everything on the line. The hype and excitement haven’t lead Magny to believe he’s being overlooked.
“Not all,” Magny says with a shrug. “I don’t feel like I’m being overlooked in this fight at all. There’s a lot of pressure, a lot of hype around Condit going into this fight. But yeah I don’t consider it a bad thing at all. I know I’m focused on what I need to do and I spend most of my time focusing on that rather than the other possibilities or what media attention is drawn to that kind of thing.”
Condit’s tendency to turn his fights into brawls is something Magny’s comfortable with, as technique and advantages tend to fly out the window. The Colorado native is honest about where his strengths are.
“This is a fight where it’s going to be a fight and turn into a brawl and were going to fight tooth and nail,” Magny said. “Going into this fight I don’t have the grappling advantage, the submission advantage, I don’t have the significant striking advantage. So anywhere this fight goes it’s not going to be one guy just outclassing the other guy. I know it’s going to come down to fighting tooth and nail or anything that will win this fight. So that’s something that I’m looking forward to the most- going out there and allowing this fight to go down successfully.”
Magny’s rough patch continued in his last fight when he lost to former lightweight champion Rafael dos Anjos by submission. While a good chunk of fighters have a tendency to dwell on losses, Magny’s moved on and, more importantly, he’s learned from his mistakes.
“I could backtrack and pick the fight apart and find a thousand things I did wrong and things I could’ve done differently,” Magny begin to explain. “But at the end of the day, it is what it is. There’s nothing I can do to change the outcome of the fight, all I can do is make sure I’m as prepared as I can be for this fight. That’s what I’ve been spending my time focusing on as well as covering every angle going into this fight mentally, physically, and emotionally. Everything I need to do to be successful in this fight I’ll do it.”
Although Magny’s moved on from the loss, that hasn’t stopped him from making changes in his lead up to fights.
“Since my last fight one of the main things I changed in my training camp was the use of a sports physiatrist,” Magny said. “I noticed for these last four fights I got myself into tough positions all three have been lackluster fights that I wasn’t too proud of. Coming into this fight we’ll be sure to work on all angles and we’ll see if the talks and working with a sports physiologist will make a difference. I have no idea but the thing about it is that I want to be as prepared as possible.”
Welterweight contender Kamaru Usman claimed that Magny was going to fight him, that is until Magny accepted the fight with Condit.
“No, nothing was ever set for Usman and I to ever fight,” Magny said. “I was in a position where I was coming off a loss and it didn’t matter who I fought next. I was just eager to get that nasty taste out of my mouth from the last fight. So he’s done his usual call me out on Twitter call me out on Instagram wherever he could I was just like ‘meh whatever, if you really want to fight me I’m available, I’m interested in doing it right away’ so why not take the matchup sooner and get the taste out of my mouth.”
Although the fight with Usman isn’t happening, the fight with Condit definitely is. So what does Magny predict?
“I see me going out there and just winning any way I see,” Magny said. “Whether its a decision where we go back and forth and go all out war, or me getting the TKO, submission, or knockout. I mean, I’m just looking forward to going out there and getting my hand raised.”
UFC 219’s Dan Hooker: Fighting in Perth Would Be an “Ideal Situation.”
New Zealander Dan ‘The Hangman’ Hooker is somewhat of a UFC veteran these days. On the 30th December Hooker will make his eighth UFC appearance, facing Marc Diakiese at UFC 219 in Las Vegas.
The card is a marquee event with some of the biggest names in the sport competing, but Hooker isn’t letting the magnitude of the event affect his preparation.
“It’s something you can look back on tell people you fought on a big card in Las Vegas, so it’s a milestone,” the Kiwi explained. “But when you’re focused on it you have to take every fight as just another fight. You can’t let the moment overwhelm you, or distract you.”
Hooker admitted to not knowing much about his opponent, Englishman, Diakiese, when the fight was announced. “I hadn’t seen him fight before we got matched, but he’s a big name in the UK so I’m looking forward to it”
Twenty-seven year old Hooker is just happy to fight. He had planned on fighting in Sydney this past November. “I had an infection in my knee which ruled me out of Sydney. I’m glad they can get me on [a card] before the end of the year.”
The Kiwi last fought at home on the UFC Auckland card in June, defeating veteran Ross Pearson with a devastating knee that KO’d his foe in round two. A fight that proved he belonged with the best in the world.
“It’s where I believe my skills are at. I’m showing everyone else what I know I’m capable of,” he said of the fight. “I think I’m capable of much more so I’m looking forward to getting back in there and doing it all again.”
The Pearson bout was Hooker’s first in the UFC’s lightweight division, having fought his first six bouts at featherweight, ten pounds below at 145 pounds. Hooker now intends to make 155 his home, and isn’t concerned about size difference.
“I’m not going back to 145, 155 is where it’s at. I’m more likely to go up than down,” Hooker said. “I just feel my skills have caught up, even if someone is carrying more size than me, I can beat them with my skill.”
There has been scrutiny in recent times due to weight cutting in the sport and new rules have been implemented by the UFC and various commissions to make to process safer. But not much is different, according to Hooker.
“It hasn’t changed anything. The bigger guys are still here and still cutting the same amount of weight.” Hooker also expressed his concern that more divisions would do more harm than good.
“You might get the opposite effect where guys are coming down even further, thinking its not ten pounds of weight, it’s only five pounds. Everyone needs to move up a weight class and fight at their natural weight. Lifestyle wise and longevity wise it’s going to pay off.”
A big reason why 155 is where it’s at is because of Conor McGregor. McGregor is currently the champion in Hooker’s division, yet he has been inactive for over a year and shows no signs in returning any time soon. Hooker isn’t holding his breath on the prospect of the Irishman fighting again.
“I’m not getting off the couch with a 100 million dollars in the bank, I’ll tell you that. I’ve never seen a fat lion running around chasing antelope in the desert, it just doesn’t happen,” Hooker joked.
While Hooker doesn’t see the UFC stripping McGregor anytime soon, he’s indifferent about the use of interim belts in the UFC. Tony Ferguson is the current interim champion in the lightweight division and Hooker thinks he should be next in line.
“The UFC have offered Tony [Ferguson] to defend his interim title. Defending an interim title is where I draw the line. It should be your golden ticket to a title shot, or don’t hand it out”
Interim titles aside, the stage is set for the New Zealander at UFC 219 in front of a large global audience. He aims to make his way up the lightweight ladder towards a prestigious top 15 spot on the roster.
Hooker is one of a few New Zealand based fighters making a run in the UFC. Shane Young made his debut this year, as did Luke Jumeau. Both often train alongside Hooker at City Kickboxing in Auckland. Hooker also suggested that the undefeated striker, Israel Adesanya will be next Kiwi fighter to join the UFC roster.
“The New Zealand market has quite a big talent pool and we’re able to get multiple New Zealand fighters in the UFC. It’s a really good sign.”
As for 2018, Hooker isn’t looking too far ahead as the nature of the sport of MMA means an injury can be just around the corner. If Hooker does come out unscathed – and victorious – then he has a plan in mind.
“I’d like to fight as soon as possible. I’d like to catch up to the Aussies and New Zealanders who got to fight in Sydney and will be fighting in Perth. If I can catch up in Perth then that would be the ideal situation.”
The Perth card would certainly make sense for Hooker. A win against Diakiese would give him his first win streak of his UFC career and set him up for even bigger fights in 2018. For now, Hooker is focused on his English opponent and ending his year on a high.
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