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Interview with IMMAF Gold Medallist Ben Forsyth

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In November of 2015, Ireland’s Ben Forsyth took part in the 2015 IMMAF European Championships of Amateur MMA competing in the light heavyweight division. After fighting his way to the final, he finished Hungary’s Balaze Kiss via TKO little over half-way into the second round to claim a gold medal. I had the chance to discuss this and more with him recently.

His IMMAF gold medal win had to be the starting point and I opened by congratulating him and asking about the whole experience. “Thank you so much. I really appreciate that,” he began. “It was a great moment for myself and my team. A phenomenal experience that I believe I will relish for the rest of my life.

Aside from the euphoria of winning, there are often moments that stand out in the minds of competitors and Forsyth is no different. “If I had to recall a certain moment that stood out to me most from the championships, apart from getting the gold of course, I would say the 1st fight of the tournament and the feeling I had after getting through it,” he reminisced. “I’m not used to competing at light heavyweight and in fact I was still under the weight class by 2+ kilos so these guys looked massive to me. The first guy especially. Myself and John (Kavanagh) knew I’d have to play matador and fight intelligently. After getting out of a solid guillotine attempt in the second round I got the TKO finish and just the feeling I had afterwards was that of reassurance. I have a big belief in my hard work and skill in any case, but after that fight I knew I could take gold.

The IMMAF are most certainly leading the charge in the development of amateur MMA, something which is absolutely vital for the future of the sport. Forsyth believes that tournaments like the European Championships can only be beneficial for young, upcoming fighters. “I am actually quite envious of all the amateur fighters coming up now, as this style of tournament is phenomenal for development and experience,” he stated. “I think the sport at an amateur level should lean away from big ticketed shows which puts an un-necessary amount of pressure and expectation on fighters. The focus at this level should be development of skills and cage experience. If there was an IMMAF style tournament once every say, 2 months, the fighters that come out at the end will be the real deal and would know they are in it for the right reasons.

In Forsyth’s case, the next step in his career is to turn professional and he now has a date and opponent for that occasion. He will be fighting Luke Taylor for ICE Fighting Championship on February 20th. “He looks like a warrior,” Forsyth said. “But I am also a warrior. We will do battle and the better man will prevail on the night. That’s all that matters.”

Something that is synonymous with MMA, and combat sports in general, are nicknames. Forsyth is known as “The Spider Monkey”, a nickname which I asked the origins of. “I got that nickname from my mate Gary,” he told me. “I think it suits me as I’m very long limbed and monkey like. I don’t know, I’m open to a change but I haven’t gotten a better suggestion yet.

In the MMA world at the moment, Straight Blast Gym (SBG) in Dublin, Ireland is one of the most talked about and highly thought of gyms. UFC stars such as Paddy Holohan, Cathal Pendred, Aisling Daly and Conor McGregor fight out of that gym under the tutelage of John Kavanagh and Forsyth is another who represents that gym. “It feels like home,” Forsyth said. “I’ve often said in the past how much of a privilege it is to train with these guys, and it is of course, but after being there for so long now, it just feels normal to me. They are my family and we’re all learning and evolving together.  It’s something really, really special that I’m grateful to be a part of.

Having a UFC champion in the gym can only be a positive thing for upcoming fighters. I asked Forsyth about any advice he might have received from the UFC featherweight champion and he responded by saying “The only advice I’ve ever gotten from Conor is probably the most valuable piece of advice you could get, no matter what you’re pursuing in life, and that is simply ‘Just keep going’.

Something else that has become evident from MMA in Ireland is the passion that the fans have for the sport and how vociferously the Irish support their own. UFC president Dana White once famously called the Irish fans ‘pound for pound the best fans in the world’. Something that Forsyth has experienced himself in his young career to date. “I have had a huge amount of support throughout my entire time competing,” he started. “It has definitely snowballed since the Europeans and people are starting to take notice. My close circle have kept their belief in me through the losses as well as the wins and I will be forever grateful to them for that. I got a tweet from one person saying that the whole of Ireland is behind me for the European finals. I couldn’t help but feel a huge sense of pride and honour when I read that and I will do my absolute best to represent the country and all of my supporters now on the professional circuit.

Forsyth is one of a number of talented young Irish stars being tipped to be the next wave to take MMA by storm. With fighters like Dylan Tuke, Frans Mlambo, James Gallagher and Sinead Kavanagh to name but a few emerging recently, the future looks right for Irish MMA. “I can add a few more to that list that are huge prospects and are going to shine over the next year,” Forsyth enthused. “It’s really exciting to be a part of this. I think that this, right now, what’s happening with Conor, Paddy, Aisling and all of the Irish fighters is a huge part of history, not only in Irish martial arts, but martial arts in general and will be spoken about for a long, long time. To be a part of it and to be even mentioned alongside the fighters you outlined there is beyond amazing to me.

Nobody could argue that the degree of success for Irish MMA over the last few years, especially when you consider how small the country and its population is in comparison to most, is staggering. I asked Forsyth if there was one thing in particular he could attribute that to. “I think it all comes down to one man,” he replied. “The Irish takeover began the day that John Kavanagh decided to pursue teaching martial arts over an engineering career. Of course there are a lot of other contributing factors but if I were to put it down to one thing. It’s all because of John.

As far as 2016 goes, with one bout already scheduled, I then asked what goals he had set himself for the year ahead. “My goals for 2016 are to have at least 3 bouts and finish the year unbeaten,” Forsyth said. “I belive this will get me into the UFC. I also want to compete a lot in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and raise my level there. I have a few other non-fight related goals including growing a coffee brand I’m working on and learning how to backflip. There are a few others too. It’s good to have goals. It’s all about evolving and learning.

As Forsyth embarks on his professional career, everyone at MMA Latest would like to thank Ben for his time and wish him the best of luck in his future progression as a mixed martial artist. In concluding the interview, I asked him if he had any closing comments and I will leave the last word to him. “All I would like to add is just a thank you to MMA latest for approaching me for this interview and to everyone who supports me out there. If you want to follow my career, my twitter is @Spydermonkeymma or just add me on Facebook. I’m a nice guy, I’ll accept you!

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Today has been a pretty busy day when it comes to MMA news. We’ve had it all today from new champions to commissioners being slapped to fighters being flagged by USADA. It’s been hectic to say the least so here are the highlights of today’s news.

1. Conor McGregor causes havoc at Bellator 187

Yes, that’s correct, Conor McGregor at Bellator. Following the win of his teammate and friend Charlie Ward at Bellator 187 the UFC Lightweight Champion entered the cage to celebrate with Ward, however, their celebrations did not go to plan. Referee Marc Goddard wasn’t pleased with this in the slightest and tried get McGregor out. This didn’t go down too well as McGregor confronted the referee who initially pushed him. See the video here:

This unfortunately was not the only incident as Conor appeared to slap an official who tried to get him off the top of the cage.
Credit to @BryanLaceyMMA for this one

2. Bellator to hold 8 Man Grand Prix for Vacant Heavyweight Championship

Earlier today it was confirmed by MMA Fighting that Bellator would crown a new Heavyweight champions following a report from MMA Junkie. There is no official dates yet, however, they do hope to start on January 20th and crown a new champion by the end of the year. There are some big names bidding to become the new champion, they are:

Fedor Emleianenko
Frank Mir
Matt Mitrione
Roy Nelson
Ryan Bader
Rampage Jackson
King Mo Lawal
Chael Sonnen

3. Anderson Silva flagged by USADA for potential doping violation, out of UFC Shanghai Main Event

Former UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva failed a USADA doping test and was pulled from the UFC Shanghai Main Event. The sample was collected from an out of competition test on October 26th. This is now his second time failing a doping test. Last time he was hit with a one year suspension and a heavy fine. No more information on the matter has been made available yet in relation to suspension.

4. UFC newcomer Grant Dawson also flagged by USADA for potential doping violation

USADA had a field day today in terms of fighters testing positive for doping. Grant Dawson, who has yet to even get a date for his debut was flagged for a sample collected on October 18th. The 23 year old was signed after impressing on Dana White’s contender series where he scored a second round submission on Adrian Diaz.

5. Martin Nguyen becomes ONE Championship’s first ever two division champion

Featherweight Champion Martin Nguyen stepped up to Lightweight to clash with title holder Eduard Folayang in effort of making history. Many ruled Nguyen out but he silenced all critics when viciously knocked out Folayang to take home another title. See the knockout here:
Credit to @Jolassanda for the video.

 6. All but one fighter make-weight for UFC Norfolk

Things were running smoothly today at the UFC Norfolk weigh ins until Matthew Lopez stepped up to the scales for his bout with Rafael Assuncao. He weighed in 2.5lbs over for his bout. The fight will go ahead, however, Lopez will lose 20% of his purse. Both Pettis and Poirier successfully made weight for their Main Event fight tomorrow night.

7. One new BAMMA champion while Lahore defends his belt in style

Despite some streaming troubles for the first two fights, BAMMA finally got one up in time for fans to see the final 3 fights. In the World Flyweight Title fight, Andy “Taz” Young fell lost his belt to Spaniard Daniel Barez via Majority Decision, After being docked a point in the opening round Barez came back strong to take home the World Title.

In the Main Event of the evening then, the anticipated match up between Alex Lahore and Richard Kiely went down. There was a lot of hype surrounding this one in the build up to the fight but it went as planned for Lahore. The champion pressured for a takedown in the first until finally succeeding, following some work on the mat it looked as if Kiely was about to gain some advantage on top. Only for Lahore to lock in a Kneebar and finish off the fight retaining his belt.

8. Cage Warriors 89 gets a shake up

The Cage Warriors Belgium card had an incredible addition today as they announced via newsletter that Karl Amoussou will defend his belt against Dominique Steele in the Main Event. The fight for the Vacant Heavyweight Championship was then demoted to co-main with a change in opponents for Mauro Cerilli. Dutchman Nills van Noord stepped up to face the Italian after Light Heavyweight Champion Karl Moore was forced off the card due to injury. This dampened his hopes of becoming the first Cage Warriors two division champion since Conor McGregor.

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McGregor hints a title unification bout with Ferguson on Irish TV

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UFC lightweight champion Conor McGregor made his first appearance on Irish television following his mega-money fight with Floyd Mayweather last night on the famous ” The Late Late Show” where he talked about post Mayweather, potential fights, fatherhood and promoted his movie ” Notorious” which follows McGregor from his first headlined PPV against Chad Mendes to win the interim featherweight title to the second fight with Nate Diaz in August 2016.

One of the notable talking points on the show was that McGregor stated he is currently in talks with UFC about a new contract and a potential fight with the new UFC interim lightweight champion Tony Ferguson seems likely to be his next fight to unify the titles.

McGregor has yet to defend his title since winning it in Madison Square Garden last year at UFC 205 and has come under criticism for not defending the title after moving up a weight class to capture the lightweight belt but the Irish man said he wanted to put the division right again by unifying the titles.

The host asked if a potential fight would happen on St Patricks Day in New York but McGregor dismissed the fight by saying ” Leave St Patricks day to St Patrick, I’ll have St McGregor Day”

McGregor also spoke about a potential trilogy fight with fan favorite Nate Diaz and stated that a trilogy fight between the pair would have to be contested at 155 pounds for the title after fighting twice at welterweight.

As of right now, no decision has been officially made on who or when McGregor will next fight but with the recent announcement that UFC would be holding a PPV in Boston in 2018, many have speculated that a potential return for McGregor would take place in the TD Garden as the Irish man as competed in Boston twice and been victorious on both occasions over UFC featherweight champion Max Holloway and Denis Siver.

Expect many questions to be answered by the Notorious one in the coming weeks as negotiations for his return to m.m.a seems to be on the horizon.

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Long Read: King and Conqueror: What makes a better Champion?

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King & Conqueror

 

As it Stands:

In less than 20 years the UFC has become the definitive entity that has risen above the rest to become a household name in MMA. Going from the sport from a sideshow activity to, a leading brand in Sports Entertainment at the highest level.

In a promotion company’s case, they are only as good as their talent so although the cultural elevation of UFC over the years is greatly due to brothers Franklin & Lorenzo Fertitta & friend/business partner Dana White, this “Holy Trinity” in the business of MMA could not have sold the UFC for 3.33 Billion to the talent agency WME-IMG in July 2016 if not for the Infamy of High-Level MMA & Talent displayed by the Hardened, Seasoned, Electrifying Athletes and in the words of MMA Fans, the “Trained Killers” the UFC has on its roster.

 

The Question:

Though recently in the UFC, considering its progression and recent decisions and or lack of, I see myself asking a question…

 

* Are the champions, the Top Contenders & Staple Names, these “Trained Killers” best for the business & the sport when –

  • A. They keep humble & fair. They are fighting, fighter after fighter by the numbers. Breaking records, garnering unbroken win streaks, an array of finishes etc, like DJ?

Or

  • B. When they are Enigmatic, Polarizing, bypass general rank and file and secure “Big Money Fights” & win or lose they put on a performance, like Conor?

 

Let’s try answering that. So, it stands to reason B preceded A and got people watching (The Lidell, Rampage era).

It also stands to reason that once people were watching, to sustain and go to the next level, it was A’s turn to preceded B, legitimizing the High-Level credibility (The Silva & GSP Era).

It then stands to reason once more that once legitimized, B needed to lead the charge again to take not just MMA but particularly The UFC into a whole new level of Spectacle, “casual” Viewership & brand recognition at an Increasingly World Wide level, making it irresistible for potential buyers (The Ronda & McGregor era)

 

Using two fighters as Archetypes for A & B I will elaborate on the strengths & weaknesses of each and finally explain why Both are necessary

– Demetrious “Mighty Mouse” Johnson posing with 3 of his 12 UFC Belts gained over Multiple Title Defenses –

Fighter A – Demetrious “Mighty Mouse” Johnson (27-2 -1)

The King

The Pros:

  • Iron Sharpens Iron
  • Another level entirely regarding challenges. The Champ has a Giant Target on his back. Maintaining his place on top by constantly fighting the Biggest threats to his throne. Being able to Stay at the top, might be the Hardest thing to do.
  • Experience.
  • Fighting so many various opponents for rounds upon rounds upon rounds, compounds experience gained. DJ’s fights are always Title Fights so always potentially 5 rounds, at the highest level, against the biggest threats to his throne. He has 12 Flyweight Title Fights on his record. The sheer magnitude of Experience gained from that amount of Octagon time at that high a level is almost beyond comprehension.

 

  • Accolades.
  • It is easier to extrapolate information in order to assess a fighter’s ability from consistent data. Fight metrics really start to add up especially when combined with experience over time. This makes breaking records not just easier but clear, obvious & definitive eg

– Has made 11 successful title defenses, beating Anderson Silva for most in UFC history

– His Pro MMA Record has 11 Submissions, 11 Decisions & 5 KO/TKO’s

– Total Fight Time is 5h 9m & 12s the longest average is 20 minutes (According to Fight-Metrix).

  • This is necessary for the story DJ has written so far, for the credibility of UFC’s claim to have the highest caliber talent & the legitimacy of the sport itself.

 

  • Undeniable.
  • It doesn’t matter what people feel about Demetrious as a person or a “sports star”. His ability, accolades, constantly challenging himself at the highest level & succeeding. Nobody can deny his achievements. It’s rare in MMA to have hazy “was that in or out”, type scenarios that cause confusion and affect the result. It’s far more easy to spot when one human beats up and outclasses another. Not to mention Knocking Out the Knockout Artists in Joseph Benavidez and Submitting the BJJ Specialists in Wilson Reis. As a result, on paper alone based off simple facts, his ability, skill & tenure is Undeniable.

 

The Cons:

  • Polite = Boring.
  • When Kings/Queens is too polite, respectful & fair, it may lead to viewers claiming the fighter is “boring”.

 

  • Wolf Tickets.
  • When a King/Queen are believed to be so far above their competitors, the matchup can be easily perceived a foregone conclusion, fans can lose faith in the Promotion aspect. I have seen them express that they can feel somewhat hoodwinked in regards to this scenario. This lead can to an indifference about the next challenge to the title.
  • No Polls-No attraction, it’s physics.
  • Fighters like DJ are a lot of things, Polarising is not one of them. Rarely would you find him express his personality or tell his story in a manner that attracts the casual fan to watch? He doesn’t start arguments/debates so, therefore, no feuds and thus struggles to generate hype outside the hardcore fans. It becomes a “punching the clock” scenario. DJ himself has been found legitimately saying phrases very close to “I’m just going to work” on multiple occasions. This talk can make it difficult for fans to take a deeper interest.
  • Can’t spell “Successful Sport” without “Cold Business”
  • Taking the above cons into account means the King/Queen can be Extremely difficult to promote. The less promotion, the less interest generated. Less interest means less profit overall. Less profit can mean the promotion machine itself may begin to put less money and time in promoting the next fight if the fighter in question hasn’t yielded the return desired. It is a business at the end of the day.

 

“A leader is best when people barely know he exists.” Lou Tzu

Conor gaining “Double Champ” status after beating Eddie Alvarez for the Lightweight Belt

 

Fighter B – “The Notorious” Conor McGregor (21-3-0)

The Conqueror

The Pros:

  • Conquerors don’t need to wait in line, be polite or run through the rank and file. They knock on the door of the loudest, toughest man/woman, defender, guardian and or King/Queen and Demand they come out and fight, in a manner so that all the town’s people can see. This can attract casual to hardcore fan all the way to the average townsperson who happened to get wind of the talk around the town, so to speak…
  • Conor has Honed his skill set to end fights quick, sudden and with an exclamation point. If a fight goes on longer, his style again leans to the more entertaining side of the sport. Either way, his fights are memorable and make a lot of noise within the MMA community.
  • Conquerors focus on the weakness of their opponents, believe in themselves and have so much drive to the point of obsession that the intensity they can bring to an encounter can have serious effects on the mindset & psychology of the opponent. In some cases, the battle is won before the bell is even rung. Eg. McGregor stealing Aldo’s Championship Belt @ The Convention Center in Dublin, Ireland for the UFC 189 World Tour Press Conference.
  • People band together for a conqueror. If they see a person with so much Conviction & drive, creating displays of power & dominance, who shouts to the world that they are coming, with no fear, confident that they will destroy anyone who is in their sights and no one can stop them, people will follow, a country worth of people. Pretty much Ireland as a whole voice walk behind Conor, chanting war cries of the opponents inevitable demise and in the terms of Prize Fighting, that equates to Tickets Sold.
  • All the above add to a major factor that separates Conor from Demetrious, Conor can guarantee the UFC a number of PPV’s and Ticket Buys. He garners so much attention, whether he is loved or hated and thusly generates a Lot of money for the UFC. So much so it is arguable that the likes of McGregor and in the past Ronda Rousey helped elevate the name of the UFC to the level where it’s net worth is in the range of 3-4 Billion. This gives him a lot of leeway and weight to move around, the like of which other fighters Don’t have.
  • The Khan Empire & Alexander had a philosophy that settling, no longer moving from challenge to challenge, battling from city to city Conquering ruler after ruler taking what they owned, making it yours and absorbing their people into your own army makes you weak, out of practice, complacent and therefore Vulnerable. Conor doesn’t stay in one place. He Conquered Cage Warriors as a Double Champ and moved right on and out into the UFC like it was just another battle. After he sacked the city of the Featherweight division he went on to the next challenge, the Lightweight Title at 155lbs.
  • Infamy is its own currency
  • Before Conor fought Alvarez he fought Nate Diaz at 170lbs (as a replacement fight when Champ at the time RDA had to pull out of his fight due to injury) for no belt and lost via rear naked choke submission in the 2nd Rnd but his Infamy, conviction & Notoriety gained him a rematch with Nate, again at 170lbs (A weight Neither fighter is Rostered under) and Won by Unanimous Decision.
  • This method has got Conor his own records and accolades. After he fought Nate for the second time, on Nov/12/2016 Conor McGregor went on to fight and beat Eddie Alvarez for the Lightweight Championship Belt, becoming the first “Double Champ” in UFC History, holding two belts in two weight classes simultaneously. This was his 1st & to this day, Only fight at Lightweight (155lbs).
  • Pays to be a Star

 

The Conqueror

The Cons:

  • Not everyone will agree to your dominance. If you pick the fights, jump from place to place whenever you feel like it. Many claim that Conor is Yet to fight an opponent who is first class at grappling, can take a shot and is happy to lay on Conor and make it a boring fight.
  • Jumping from division to division and not defending his belts, never looking back, only forward, has left the division’s top contenders in a mess. As a result of all of this, the ranks say one thing, the fighters say another, fans are usually split and Conor can Never go down as the definitive best in any division he fought in as he has Never secured the Tenure in the divisions in the manner that a fighter like Demetrious has.
  • Conquerors are unique and they don’t come around often. People get inspired and driven in themselves by the methods and paths marked by a Conor McGregor type person. This goes bad as they try to replicate the path and method to little or no success and cause even bigger upsets in the division. Eg Tony Ferguson & Khabib Nurmagomedov left waiting for Conor to return. After missing weight again, Tony won’t fight Khabib and wanted the Money Fight with Conor. Khabib also shared that goal. Meanwhile, luckily a fighter named Kevin Lee made his way up securing a fight with Ferguson for the Interim Title at 155lbs which Ferguson Won via Triangle Choke in Rnd3 making him the interim Champion (Interim meaning next in line for the belt). Though many think (fans, fighters, journalists, even Conor’s striking coach Owen Roddy alike) the more likely person Conor fights next is Nate Diaz for the Trilogy fight but this time at 155lbs and possibly for the belt. Effectively making the Interim Belt for Ferguson won pointless.
  • Conquerors make a lot of enemies, people will always hate someone who Conquered them more often than them and won’t ever, Universally, agree on his overall place in the sport and ability. He may have wrecked shop but he left stones unturned, challenges to be completed and failed to solidify himself in any one place for a long enough in the divisions he has fought in.
  • What Conor has achieved up to this point in his career can be seen as 40% fight skill 50% business & marketing and 10% mental warfare. Taking that into account his G.O.A.T. status will always be up for debate and will lean between those who see MMA more as entertainment and those who see MMA more as a pure sport.

 

“The Conqueror is regarded in Awe. The wise command respect but the benevolent wins our Affection” William Dean Howells

 

So, what is better, King or Conqueror?

The Answer

In the terms of the modern Sports Business machine, In my opinion, I would argue Neither is bad and BOTH are not just good but Exceptionally Necessary.

 

The Reasoning:

  • A Fighter like DJ lets the hardcore and more uber fans know the company is still about the sport, they still care and want to put on by the numbers fights following rank and file. Those fans get to watch the career rule of a prestigious King as he retains his title with the humility & class expected from a Tenured Champ.
  • They define what perfection in the sport is, they always will hold a bar at a place that while some fighters may stare at the spectacle of the lights and dream of money. For most fighters however even the knowledge there is bar they did not reach it yet, it is a constant nagging that must be addressed.
  • Competition breeds obsession, obsession breeds hard work & dedication, hard work & dedication desires challenge, challenges completed desire recognition. For those, the chance,  even the opportunity for the chance, to dethrone a King like DJ is far too much to ignore.

 

  • A Fighter like Conor raises the stock price of a company like the UFC, pure and simple. He has reached a level where he has elevated himself from the sport to the point that he got his contract pushed away to the side while he went off to boxing and fought Floyd “Money Mayweather”.
  • Not long ago MMA was something a person watched when no one was around, worried that someone might find the tapes of the “Bloodsport” of “Human Cockfighting” and think you odd or crazy. Now, Conor is side by side with the president of the UFC representing MMA, sharing the stage with Boxing, The most prestigious, Honored, Respected and Longest tenured fighting sport in the world.

 

To Summarize

Conquerors bring the sport to the mainstream. Conor made such a ruckus, leaving such an impression, grabbing Pandora’s Box of MMA & raining it down all over the modern world for all to see, experience and take note of.  

Kings keep the sport pure and as legitimate as the sport is capable of being. DJ provide the range of dedicated fans, arguably the only people who pay for subscription service to fight libraries, watch live events at 5 am because they live in a different country (That’s me),  watch the fight press conferences and fight week interviews, their time & monies worth. Both King & Conqueror collectively give all manner of fans the peace of mind that the Bastion of MMA, the UFC is still “As Real as It Gets”.

Wrapping Things Up…

Every Yin needs a Yang but as the sport is still evolving maybe will see one day, a fusion between Demetrious & Conor, some would argue Jon Jones could have been that guy “could” being the loaded word.

I leave you now with some final questions for you readers.

  • Does a fighter like that exist in the rankings, in their early stages, still gestating, waiting for their time?
  • Are they already here and known but we are sleeping on them?
  • Has one existed before and I am missing them?
  • Do you think Jon Jones could still maybe, be that Guy?

& Finally

  • Which do you prefer, Kings/Queens or Conquerors?
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